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Post by Markas Aquinas on Jun 28, 2011 12:35:41 GMT -5
Quoted from Elessar-
From what I can tell they're a small-medium sized alliance with a range of members. Highest ranked members is around 180 with nearly 18,000 ships, more than half of the entire alliance's fleet.
Initial message indicates that they may want just an NAP. Honestly, I don't see much value in a NAP with them, but something of worth might be found in an alliance with them, should they be interested.
Nothing at all set in stone as of yet. I'll send a message to THC and see if they've had any involvement with them.
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Post by Elessar on Jun 28, 2011 21:28:16 GMT -5
just found out that thales and pax are the leaders of VGuard i've got nothing against this alliance proposal with VGuard; as long as they there's an alliance agreement between THC and VGuard as well. i like multilateral agreements, cause they are neat i've got no idea how thales recruited Putin v.v. into VGuard, cause their top guy accounts for about 40% of the total points of VGuard and over half of their total fleeting capabilities.
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Post by Sonea on Jun 29, 2011 16:39:34 GMT -5
the people of v-guard are pretty cool people, they know what there doing in the game and they would definitely be up for an alliance, i was talking to coltaine about it:) they have also put around a message in their alliance not to attack any of us, so they are pretty serious! i think it would be worth it anyway! but i will take into account that my view can be biased!:)lol!
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Post by Elessar on Jun 29, 2011 22:17:54 GMT -5
people of v-guard are pretty cool people, but i will take into account that my view can be biased! lol! lol !.! indeed,.. you are terribly biased there but,.. your special connections does persuade both Ataraxia and VGuard into formulating this deal. ;D nonetheless,.. prideofni made a really good point on the THC boards; that a significant proportion of points lie with just one player. And suppose this “Putin v.v.” gets taken out or decides to quit, then the military capabilities of VGuard will drop significantly. Thus we may want some kind of assurance from Thales or whoever against the possibility of such a scenario.
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Post by hunter on Jun 29, 2011 23:46:35 GMT -5
You shouldn't put in the stipulation that a member of theirs can't quit, it is kind of difficult to control such things and also makes you look shallow (not really the right word but go with me)
Like your looking for a girl you find one with DDs which is what you wanted... however 3months later she decides to get reduction to Bs... This is where you break it off with her not before.
So the point of my ridiculous story is run with this alliance for as long as you can and if Putin v.v. quits then we can decide if the alliance is helping or hindering us... Who knows they might quadruple their fleet capacity before Putin v.v. quits and then the alliance will still be good...
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Post by prideofni on Jun 30, 2011 12:42:05 GMT -5
You couldn't put that kind of stipulation in anyway. However i would, if i where you guys, strongly suggest that Puttin v.v or whatever sticks with the alliances and in return Ataraxia will maintain an alliance and help grow V.Guard.
Btw i have spoken with talus, he hasnt been contacted on the issue...(as far as i know)
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Post by Markas Aquinas on Jun 30, 2011 15:06:52 GMT -5
Didn't contact talus in-game, thought he might catch what was posted on the THC forum. I'll send him a PM and see what he has to say about it.
In other news, I just had a fleet of probes sent to every one of my planets and moons from a few different VGuard members. Not exactly a good way to kick off diplomacy.
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Post by Markas Aquinas on Jun 30, 2011 17:27:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sonea on Jun 30, 2011 17:29:37 GMT -5
lol !.! indeed,.. you are terribly biased there but,.. your special connections does persuade both Ataraxia and VGuard into formulating this deal. see, im helping the alliance to grow elessar! haha! i agree tho, when putin v.v. joined there rank did jump up significantly, but as hunter said, (in a very roundabout way:) ) if he decides to leave and ye see no other use of v-guard as allies then it is quiet simple to leave the alliance, but i would take into consideration that putin v.v applied to join them and when he was put through the tests and questionnaires that every new member has to go through, he stressed how he wanted to be in an alliance and that he liked v-guard and that he also knows a guy in the alliance! so i don't see him going anywhere too soon! and as for the probing, i was also probed, and i can tell you that is was just to check how strong we are as an alliance, which i see as acceptable, they want to know how strong our mines and research are and i see no reason for us not to do the same back to them, to see how strong they are! also, as far as im aware every member should of been probed! there not setting up any attacks or that! they are interested in forming this alliance!
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Post by prideofni on Jun 30, 2011 18:05:38 GMT -5
well talk about being caught with your panties down lol
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Post by Elessar on Jun 30, 2011 20:58:05 GMT -5
hmm,.. I've got nothing against those probing; but those stuff can be somewhat sensitive, especially when we are not given any notice beforehand. Anyhow, if they are really keen about figuring out our capabilities, then probing will probably gather less information than simply asking in a message, cause most people fleetsave their ships and things anyways.
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Post by Otto on Jul 1, 2011 5:17:42 GMT -5
Offensive Probes on our whole alliance? not really a great way to start things off lol.
Oh I forgot to add but I think you should all know my position on new alliances. There should be absolutely no decisions made untill our current Allies and consented in full.
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Post by Elessar on Jul 1, 2011 12:45:48 GMT -5
Greetings Thales of the Varangian Guard Now if your alliance is genuine about a coalition with the Empire of Ataraxia, then I am here to inform you that all these recent probing business is harming our prospects of formulating a deal. Espionage is quite a sensitive business and probing just about every planet of our members has put everything off to a very bad start. First and foremost, we were not given any notice beforehand; the probes came cold and silent and are interpreted as a threat. If you guys are really keen about figuring out our capabilities, then probing will probably gather less information than simply asking our members in several Private Messages, cause most people fleetsave their ships and things anyways. A number of our members have expressed signs of discontent towards VGuard; in the current state of affairs, I think the chance for a successful resolution will require a formal apology from VGuard leaders with an explanation as to why the probes were sent in the first place. our core players may be in support of an alliance treaty with VGuard, however, we will be having a difficult time persuading our members to vote for the deal if you guys simply remain silent and continue to bug us with your probes. Feel free to write anything, anytime in the Ataraxia chat-page: empireofataraxia.cbox.wsGreetings to you Elssar, I apologize for any grief any of VGuard may have caused your alliance and I can assure you I will personally investigate this matter myself. This matter is now a greater problem as our leadership broadcasted a "No Probe/Attack" order to all of our members over a week ago. If we find out these allegations are true, the offender(s) could face banishment from VGuard. I will need more information from you on the issue however. Please provide me with the name(s) of who has been probing, when the most recent actions occurred, and who in your alliance was probed (with coordinates). Thank you again for bringing this matter to my attention and be assured it will be handled swiftly. Thales, thank you for this quick response; Motherholm probed all my coordinates about 2 days ago, it did came as bit of a surprise. now, these are some of the stuff that came directly from our forum thread: Markas - I just had a fleet of probes sent to every one of my planets and moons from a few different VGuard members. Not exactly a good way to kick off diplomacy. (quote=Markas): "I'm kind of a long way away to be sending probes to. Find anything interesting?" (quote=JimJoBlue): "Hi there, sorry if I caused offence. I was handed a mission from our leaders to gather intelligence on your alliance. As far as I know there are Negotiations between our Ambassadors and yours. - JJB" Sonea - i was also probed, and i can tell you that is was just to check how strong we are as an alliance, which i see as acceptable, they want to know how strong our mines and research are and i see no reason for us not to do the same back to them. Otto - Offensive Probes on our whole alliance? not really a great way to start things off lol. Oh I forgot to add but I think you should all know my position on new alliances. There should be absolutely no decisions made untill our current Allies and consented in full. There were also a fair bit thing that was said in Circular Messages or send between our members in Private Messages, but those are removed by the OGame inbox on a daily basis. What you considered as "banishment" is probably unnecessary, it's your alliance, they are your members, VGuard might have had some communication complications somewhere or maybe it was just a bit of curiousity here and there. but i think whoever first came up with this probing idea had some power and influence in your alliance. hi dude sorry for the probing i don't know what he was doing, gathering intel i think just to see what the story is with you guys. i have sent THC a message that we plan an alliance and to message me if they have any questions. "Circular Message from our founder about the probing" - Coltaine Player thales tells you the following: It appears we may be at the brink of war because some one or more than some one can\'t listen to alliance directives. NO Contact with Ataraxia means NO contact of ANY kind including Probing. Ataraxia has alleged that someone in our alliance keeps probing their members incessantly and that these actions could jeopardize our current peace talks and trade agreements. Anyone with information regarding the probing of Ataraxia members please contact the VEC immediately. - Thales as far as i'm aware, VGuard has a number of 'leaders',.. so the most logical scenario is that one of their leader(s) issued the probing order without the consent from the founder or other core members. probing is really not much of a problem,.. just bit weird i suppose. i just found it interesting how Thales' tone of speech in his Circular Message and his consideration about "banishing" his members makes him very much a dictator,.. our leader Markas Aquinas, offers autonomy and is definately much easier to approach; we should be glad lol ;D
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Post by prideofni on Jul 1, 2011 13:36:13 GMT -5
You did express you point too quite the extreme did you not elesser? lol Thats why he probably stated such things to save their chances. Stating the alliance could depend on some guy probing all of you. I would consider it a threat also so ill be asking members if the same thing has been occuring with them (i would hope not). However if it was only done by one member its not to bad.
Their system of government sounds complicated and could be difficult to have an alliance with a group who has no clear ranking structure. If the THC is gona have an alliance with someone we want to be reassured that things wont go up the left, a clear chain of command is required (as this incident shows).
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Post by Sonea on Jul 1, 2011 17:01:01 GMT -5
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