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Post by prideofni on Jul 1, 2011 17:28:54 GMT -5
So how on earth was orders given to probe if the president didnt approve it? lol If its just a bad mishap in alliance communication then i retract my statement.
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Post by Otto on Jul 1, 2011 20:50:03 GMT -5
Lol, it's no big drama lol. I can kind of guess it wasn't intended as an offensive idea. Probably just got exited at the idea of a new ally and thought to have a look at us lol. I mean if I had have known it or something it wouldn't be a big deal just the timing of it lol.
Little bit silly but not a deal breaker lol.
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Post by Elessar on Jul 2, 2011 0:22:48 GMT -5
Most gracious Elessar. I have spoken with Thales on this matter. I am disappointed by the probing as well. Thales will be handling that. Let us know how we can handle that with you! If you have any preliminary thoughts I will share them with founder Thales right away. I myself function as more of a forager/farmer than raider these days. I enjoy building mines and conducting research. Space exploration seems to serve me better than most raids do right now. Once I have acquired the highest level of military technology production I will change that. So might be able to hunt together soon. Meantime I'd best keep this at the founders' level. Tell me what I can do for you in the meantime. If anyone in your alliance would like to trade then please direct them to me. Thank you as well for the alliance chat link. Nice idea. - Pax, Ambassador VGuard VGuard is governed by the Varangian Eolderman Council that is elected from among our highest ranking members. We are building Clans as our member reach sufficiently high rank and experience levels. Our ranks structure is highly organized, yet we help our younger brothers and sisters, yes we have females in our alliance. We determine their needs through our internal forums and chats. I recognize your polling system and honor it as a way of conducting alliance business. We will discuss the matters of building an alliance with Talus and prideofni. Thank you for commending them to us. I will be in touch with you. Meanwhile our trade follows the simple 3:2:1 ration when exchanging M:C:D. Who would like the C or D? If you would to share their names with me perhaps we can demonstrate some good faith by conducting civil business together as business equal. - Pax, Ambasssador Varangian Guard
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Post by Sonea on Jul 3, 2011 16:29:02 GMT -5
lol, most gracious Elessar! haha! will we have to start calling you that now aswell?! hahaha! well, it seems like there trying to fix their f**k up, are we going to give them another chance?!
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Post by groza on Jul 4, 2011 14:03:07 GMT -5
Haha, JJBlue also spied my planets few days ago, but as I was aware of peace talks didn't take that as offense. I spied him back, send him a note that he could ask whatever he wanted to know, and got exactly the same answer like Markas, from word to word.
That said, where are we at the moment?
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Post by Elessar on Jul 5, 2011 9:24:18 GMT -5
i think at this stage,.. we are waiting for THC,.. not sure if Talus is even aware of this VGuard alliance treaty thing. anyhow,.. we should probably see if THC is interested; afterall, like otto-blotto said, '"there should be absolutely no decisions made untill our current Ally is consented in full"'. a multilateral coalition agreement is probably what we want. if all goes well, we should run a forum poll some time this week. if our members vote for an alliance treaty with VGuard, then Markas, Talus and Thales could have a little chat and finalize everything. if our members vote against it, then we'll have to see what THC has to say.
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Post by prideofni on Jul 5, 2011 13:03:29 GMT -5
Im really not sure if an offer has been made to us...We also prefer multilateral agreements however we wont stand in your way if you wish to make an alliance, that power is and always will be independent of the two of us.
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Post by Elessar on Jul 7, 2011 4:50:06 GMT -5
Pax and Coltaine of VGuard said they will be contacting Prideofni (you) and/or Talus how about,.. see if THC has any concerns with an alliance with VGuard, and see if you guys are willing to settle an agreement with VGuard if Ataraxia agrees to an alliance with VGuard first. then Ataraxia will vote (an alliance with VGuard on the condition that they will also ally with THC) if our members are in favour of such a treaty then the three alliances can work out the details; if our members vote against the treaty, then THC can also ditch the idea or work something out with VGuard independently.
to be honest, i think VGuard is predominantly motivated trade; cause their ratio is 3:2:1, thus selling deuteriums could benefit their members massively. however, i've bought a decent amount of deut from Coltaine at our own ratio of 5:3:2 and he didn't seem to care.
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Post by Markas Aquinas on Jul 13, 2011 6:32:46 GMT -5
Sooo, we have anything new? If not I'll see about sending either their ambassador or lead a PM.
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Post by Otto on Jul 13, 2011 18:53:01 GMT -5
I think talks have been slow between Vguard and THC. In fact has there been any communication between us and Vguard lately?
You would need to wonder if there is any need for an alliance if we're just going to be silent partners.
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Post by Markas Aquinas on Jul 13, 2011 19:05:01 GMT -5
Sent a message to Thales, and he said he'd left all of the negotiations to Pax(it would seem they have multiple admins, rather than a single set leader, though Thales is the founder).
Pax was HOF crashed yesterday, so I'm not sure if he's been online lately. Pax was completely supportive of the Coalition alliance idea, according to Thales.
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Post by prideofni on Jul 14, 2011 19:00:00 GMT -5
Talus is away so tell them, if they are going to even send a message, to forward it to me. I would like to express a growing discontent an impatience on the issue. Please do not make your vote depending on us also allying ourselves with VGuard because that is just added pressure which may or may not force us into doing something that we may or may not want to do lol
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Post by nedolumosh on Jul 27, 2011 21:35:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure how in the world I missed reading this entire thread over the past month, but now that I have read it I believe that most relevant things to say on the issue have already been said.
My only addition is: has anyone heard back from Thales or Pax yet?
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Post by Elessar on Jul 27, 2011 23:29:28 GMT -5
Thales simply either doesn't care or he delegate his subordinates to do the writing for him. Pax lost a substantial proportion of his fleet in a Hall of Fame hit,.. he then became fairly inactive and have recently put himself into vacation-mode. Coltaine is the real-life boyfriend of our member Sonia, he also trade deut with me on a regular basis; thus understandably, he was also the person to initiate this whole treaty concept after his superiors announced their intention to establish diplomatic relationships for the VGuard Alliance. Coltaine have recently lost his internet connection and is playing OGame from a internet cafe. Thales is probably the only source of contact, but i haven't messaged him since that probing incident.
furthermore, on the advice of otto-the-blotto,.. we tried to push for a multilateral agreement with the inclusion of THC, but it appeared that VGuard was either not interested in a THC coalition or they had some form of communication breakdown; all in all, THC was never contacted properly and they are not impressed. finally, according to Prideofni, talus of THC is only interesting in securing treaties with high-ranking alliances i.e. groups within the top 10.
in the current state of affairs, i think we should probably sit on the fence; we have more bargaining power thus naturally we shouldn't be the once running around chasing people up. i will try and form a dialogue with VGuard as to what's happening with them, but if they don't voluntarily keep this negotiation alive, then we can read it as a sign that they are interesting anymore and thus we should drop the whole lot.
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Post by hunter on Jul 28, 2011 11:52:54 GMT -5
If they are not actively pursuing a treaty with us or our allies we could assume that there will be no alliance... Now, does this open them up for raiding?
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